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Fired a contractor today.

By August 16, 2019 38 Comments

Sucks but had to happen. I purchased a home in June that needed to be move in ready in September, starting demo I realized it was going to be a partial gut and we treated it like that. I hired an electrician that placed most of his work in his helpers hands, and that guy did a terrible job, I almost took the electrician to court over it but after a very strongly worded email, he was right back at the house fixing everything and we left on good terms. I’m not going to be suggesting him for business, but at least 95% of my outlets and switches work.

I did all the plumbing and insulating, rehung sheetrock and hired a tape/mud/finish guy to come in and do all the joints, some wall repairs, and skim coat the ceilings since we scraped the popcorn. He gave me the “all done” yesterday from work and I had my girlfriend go check on it, all she said was “I don’t know you need to come look at this” so I went to the house after work and it’s a nightmare. None of the joints are properly taped, there is mud EVERYWHERE. I cannot stress how much mud is all over the place. Not just inside the house either, but all over the yard, the driveway, everywhere. IT IS EVERYWHERE. I called him over and we went through the scrape marks in the ceilings, the exposed or poorly coated screws, the joints that weren’t taped and just packed with mud, the mess all over the house, and the missing wall repairs we agreed to. He said that none of this was in the agreement and I pulled out my phone and showed him where I detailed EXACTLY what was to be done for exactly how much + materials. He then said he must have misunderstood and told me that I told him I didn’t care how it looked. I started getting angry at that point and he said he was going to come back on Monday to do the repairs and put another skim coat on the ceilings (1600sqft of ceilings) and left on that note. I was steaming so I wanted to start doing some of the repairs on walls he completely missed myself since we’re going out of town and it’s also my girlfriends father, brother, and my daughter’s birthdays today, we’re going to the beach to celebrate.

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I went to home depot and picked up another $100 in mud, corner bead, you name it all and went to work patching holes, then cleaning joints and walls of splatter, recoating screws, I mean normal stuff that should have just been done and after a few hours went home and discussed it with my girlfriend. We paid him 2/3 of the agreed price in 2 installments, I purchased his materials, he ran out but it’s because he’s so sloppy… oh he also ruined 200BF of white oak that I have inside for my girlfriend’s kitchen island…. so I asked her if she was okay with just terminating his contract and she said yes without skipping a beat.

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I don’t know why I am typing this honestly, perhaps just to get the frustration out, because I only got 3 hours of sleep and it’s still chapping my ass. Luckily my daughter gets tonight with her mom so I can leave work and go spend another 10 hours sanding and mudding in the house because we’re supposed to move in 3 weeks, and there’s no kitchen, no floors, half a bathroom, and none of the painting is done, and the lighting isn’t finished either. Pretty excited.


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38 Comments

  • DIY_Jules_Can says:

    I rarely see positive reviews for contractors, if any. They overextend themselves or are just downright shoddy in their work. I don’t know if in your State a license is required, but I start there and then look for reviews. But you are always in a pickle once they start the work and you have partially paid. Sounds like you at least know what they should be doing and have the skill set to evaluate the work – many consumers don’t and get taken or don’t even know the job is shoddy. If you can cut your losses, you are ahead of the game, and hopefully will get your housed readied for move in. I would tell this guy to take a flying leap and even tell him that you want part of your upfront money back – not that you’ll get it…..

  • datavirtue says:

    Getting residential work done is a nightmare. I always assume everything is going to be fucked.

    I usually put out feelers on Facebook for local people and then interview and meet with whoever responds.

    I got super lucky to find an HVAC guy who was amazing. Solid work, collaborative, quick.

    Other times I have had to micromanage people just to get acceptable levels of work.

    My wife gets upset that I do everything myself and sometimes snaps with the typical nieve “why don’t you just hire someone,” as if there are reliable professionals just waiting around to start on my measly jobs.

    I might make some mistakes but it’s nothing compared to trying to hire people and clean up after boozers and drug addicts.

  • CitizenSnipsJr says:

    How did he ruin the wood? Joint compound should wash off fairly easily.

  • Jameson_35 says:

    As a former full time and now part time contractor myself I can sympathize with all of the comments in this thread.

    Specifically to my own house there was a fair amount I did myself but a few trades I had to hire out as I didn’t have the equipment or experience.

    Yes, hiring contractors is a fucking nightmare especially in larger markets. In major metro areas you have more choices but also more fly by nights and just plain shitty craftsmen because even they can survive in an area with a massive potential customer base.

    I don’t know what the answer is. Keep doing your due diligence – contracts, specific task lists, daily QC checks, etc. It won’t always shake out but you’ve got a better chance than someone who simply hands over a deposit and says “have at it.”

    I’ve even said to guys I hired “listen, you’re not going to like me because we’re probably going to fight about QC, finish work etc”. I try to let them know upfront that I’m not, for one second, going to tolerate lack of attention to detail or sloppy work. In the area I live and the rates that get charged I don’t feel bad about this one bit.

    I also try to look out for ANY red flags. Will the guy selling the job be on site? When I hear “yeah our schedule is pretty full but we’ll squeeze you in” I’m either insisting consecutive work days or I’m on to the next guy.

    Still, with some of these outfits, if there’s a way to fuck you they’ll figure out either intentionally or unintentionally. “Oh you wanted the 5/4” deck boards?” “Well it was a full moon yesterday and they don’t produce 5/4 board during the full moon so we’ll have to wait 6 months for the next half moon”…., That level of nonsensical horse shit. “Oh when I said I’d drywall the master bedroom that didn’t include the closet”….. Fuck you get out of my house.

    I doubt any of this rambling actually helps anyone but FWIW it’s not lost on some of us contractors how fucked up our industry is sometimes and I apologize on behalf of those of us that try.

  • AreWeCowabunga says:

    Ah, the classic homeowner who doesn’t care about how their walls and ceilings look.

  • Uxoguy says:

    I guess since people are sharing bad experiences with contractors I’ll share the email I sent to the electrician. He was over fixing everything the next day-

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    After getting to the point where I can start hanging drywall in the house I have uncovered several issues that are quite concerning.  Before I continue I think it’s important to recognize and thank you for the amount of successful work that we’ve had performed on the house.  Unfortunately, I’m in the position where I cannot finish my kitchen because the work was not finished. 

    For example, none of the circuits in the panel box are labeled, so I’m having to play musical breakers. That lead me to see that there is a missing breaker for the fridge, but there is a breaker for it, it’s just relocated and unlabeled. However, that’s left a hole in the line of circuits that are left in the breaker box. I know that a part of the agreed to scope of work was to have the breaker box relabeled. 

    The 220 line for the Dryer was never replaced after being brought to your attention, neither was the recession of the main line coming from the meter. These were two things that you had said would be finished last Monday by text, but they were never done. I have purchased the recommended romex and run it to the box myself, and I notched the stud myself to recess the main line so I can patch the drywall in the ceiling. Both of these were included in the agreed to scope of work for the kitchen rewire, which you have been paid the agreed fee of $600 for. 

    The line for the fan in the living room was never replaced as we had agreed to. 

    The line for the range fan was either cut and never run, or removed but it is not on a dedicated circuit. This to me should have been a part of the kitchen rewire as we had agreed to a COMPLETE rewire, and it was pointed out to you on our walk-through. 

    I have a circuit in my panel now that is labeled as “garage outlets” that only audibly, and visibly arcs when it’s turned on, and immediately trips out. This was not an issue before you had started work. I had the circuit off because I turned all non-vital circuits off in the house. 

    The most disheartening issue that I have is the fact that I have what I believe is a complete circuit in the kitchen being that it’s 2 outlets wired to a GFCI outlet, and there is a line that is ran up a stud and folded together, floating, but there is no power for that circuit run to the breaker. As in, i traced back every single wire from the GFCI to the individual outlets and everywhere I could see, and there is no light. The Gang boxes aren’t even recessed at the right depth for me to hang half inch drywall. The outlets are recessed so far back that they are practically flush with the studs. 

    Please understand that I do fully understand that electricians typically charge almost $200 for a single recessed light to be installed, and you did put what I count is 22.  Honestly I believe that your helper may have been a bigger part of these issues because I can’t comprehend a skilled tradesman overlooking this.  Even if it’s part time work after hours. 

    So, where do we go from here? If I were a GC you know that your shop would be getting a hell of a phone call when the site’s getting ready for walls to be sealed and this stuff is being found out during a quality walk through.  I can’t exactly say that I’m pleased at this point because I would love to have a wall completely sealed up, but at this point I can’t even continue until I go test every single switch, every single outlet in the property to ensure that they work and that the circuits are properly identified and installed. You and I both know that if it were a 30-40-30 invoice you wouldn’t be paid the last 30 because the scope of work isn’t nearly done as agreed, and someone from your shop would probably be right out getting the work completed, and it would be very thoroughly inspected after that. 

    Respectfully, 

  • Gcannon21 says:

    I am finishing my basement. I grew up doing this type of work with my father, and being female, I have the patience and attention to detail that is coveted when it comes to drywall.
    I started hanging the drywall and getting my stuff together to mud, and my wife asked why we didn’t just hire someone to do it.
    I laughed audibly with a bit of incredulity and told her about some horror stories like yours.
    I even went as far to explain that there is a 50% chance it would cause the project to be longer because I would have to go in, redo/patch/clean etc what someone else didn’t give two shites about doing correct.
    I just let her read your post and she told me she understands a little better why I insist on doing this build solo.
    She’s learning to do it all now, but she finds it too meticulous for her enjoyment 🙂 I think she called me sadistic for finding drywall and tile work cathartic 🙂

    Looks like I get to make a than you edit to whoever gifted me silver this this comment 🙂 that was extremely nice of you!

  • Seated_Heats says:

    Man, I feel lucky. I’ve honestly only had one bad experience and that includes two fences (different houses), a stamped/colored patio, electric for two separate basements (one of those was the bad experience), HVAC for both basements (two separate companies), plumbing for one basement, trim and door work for one basement, mud and tape for one basement, and painting for a house (the foyer had a towering ceiling that I could not figure out how to paint myself).

    The electrician who sucked was recommended by the builder (he said it was the guy who wired my house) but after the work was done and went to get it inspected discovered he wasn’t licensed (the company he worked for was) and when I got someone licensed to come in and inspect the guys words were “he didn’t do you any favors.”

    I’ve had my fair share of showing up but never getting a bid or never hearing back from them but in general the work I had done was good (the mud and tape guy was amazing and astonishingly cheap… I wish I still had his number).

  • Pool_Boy_Q says:

    I can’t help but think the contractor still made some decent money off of you. If you paid 2/3 of the contract and he did a few sessions of garbage work paying cheap labor he’s probably stoked the contract got terminated. Still get 2/3 of the money, no skin in the game for materials, and he doesn’t have to finish/redo any of his work.

  • totallythebadguy says:

    the problem with hiring tradesmen is all the good trades guys are booked well in advance by large contractors so all you’re going to have is usually the scraps that aren’t worthy of working for the big guys.

  • ailee43 says:

    fuck man. That sucks.

    What really hit me was that he ruined the white oak. He just get mud all over it, or is it really ruined?

  • ZeikCallaway says:

    “I hired an electrician that placed most of his work in his helpers hands, and that guy did a terrible job, I almost took the electrician to court over it but after a very strongly worded email, he was right back at the house fixing everything and we left on good terms. I’m not going to be suggesting him for business, but at least 95% of my outlets and switches work.”

    It blows my mind that you have to go through proper licensing to be an electrician yet a lot of these variety of contractors have either piss poor work ethic or no business sense. And here I am, more capable than them and could do way better but where I live I can’t get licensed until I work for one of them for a few years, and I can’t afford the pay cut.

  • lauset says:

    Wait there’s three birthdays on the same day

  • ZeikCallaway says:

    Whole lee fook, did you hire the same person my SiL did? She had a “contractor” come out to do some work on her place and he did something similar. He was to touch up holes in the walls, scrape, patch and paint the ceilings. He didn’t cover or protect anything. This dumbass comes in and just starts working with 0 prep. He then proceeds to not patch any marks on the ceiling and give it 1 single thin layer of paint+primer. You can still see the off color sheetrock underneath. He then proceeded to tell them he was finished. They brought up that not only was he not finished, he only gave it 1 coat of paint that wasn’t enough and he covered their house in mud/dust/gunk. This includes her $3k treadmill that was in one of the rooms. He gave her the old, “That wasn’t in the contract”. Fuck. I’m sorry man. It really gets my blood boiling when handymen or contractors pull this shit. I hope he gets his comeuppence.

  • texasusa says:

    I have been lucky with the contractors I have hired for small to medium projects and have paid nothing up front as well. Money is a good motivator. Someone posted awhile back a redo of a bathroom that looked okayish for a DYI but terrible for a $ 10k + that they paid upfront for .

  • flaskman says:

    I don’t know what’s worse your contractor who showed up and did a shit show of a job or the contractor I hired months in advance for a 10K job and even followed up with him in the same month to guarantee we were on track and the dude never showed, called, emailed or texted. At least I didn’t pay him anything

  • jazzb54 says:

    Ouch, I fear getting a bad contractor. My parents have had that experience before. The worst was when they had their kitchen done, the “custom” cabinets were uneven and very poorly made, counters were not level, tiles fell off the backsplash and some of the wood flooring (that they put in) had giant scratches. Contractor disapeared – turns out he ended up in jail for check fraud.

    I’m lucky that I’ve found a decent plumber and electrician. Their rates are market average, but they do good and fast work. When I’ve called them over the phone to schedule minor work, they do warn me that I could probably do it myself, and that there will be a minimum charge – I’m happy to pay.

    I hate doing mud jobs myself – drywall work is messy and not very fun. It is stories like yours that will keep me doing it myself.

  • epicConsultingThrow says:

    I had the lovely opportunity to completely remodel a basement about two years ago. Basically everything short of tearing out the drywall.

    I acted as the main contractor for 90% of the remodel. I found good subcontractors to do all the work. Honestly, I lucked out finding a good cabinet contractor. He referred me to a few people that ended up being phenomenal. The schedule went something like this:

    Day 1: Demo. The kitchen and flooring were taken out. This was done by me.

    Day 2: Electrical. We changed out all the florescent tubes for can lighting. We rearranged outlets to match the new layout of the kitchen, we added a few circuits.

    Day 3: Plumbing. We put in gas lines, changed out water heaters. Added an access panel for the water main in the basement. We also had a radon system installed at this time.

    Day 4: Flooring: we added 1500 square feet of carpet and luxury vinyl planking. I covered the floor in ramboard after it was put in.

    Day 5-6: Cabinets. We put in kitchen cabinets in the kitchen and the two bathrooms. We also had the vanities and toilets placed in at the end of day 6.

    Day 7-8: Drywall work. Mudding, taping, patching, sanding and so forth.

    Day 9: painting. Everything painted in a day.

    Day 10: cleaning

    Day 11: window coverings and finish work

    By that time I was exhausted. From project management to inspection scheduling to fixing work not done well, I was just done. In my exhaustion I hired a family friend to put in a second bathroom.

    It was a 500 square foot bathroom. It took 6 months before I fired him. I paid him more than I should have to get him out of the house and used the subcontractors from my remodel to finish up the work. It took 3 days of work to finish it.

  • timeskipper2810 says:

    “Dude, it wasn’t in the contract that I would do commercially reasonable work. You need to specify that”.

    Give me a fucking break.

  • SirMaximusPowers says:

    After buying my first home and going through an EXTENSIVE renovation inside and out, I was going to make a post about stuff I gleaned from hiring 10+ companies for various projects as well as doing a crapton of work myself. But, it seems like its pretty generic information these days.

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    All I can say is so much contractor stuff seems like a shot in the dark. I have had close friends recommend people with excellent reviews, and those contractors came in and did shit work. I have also hired the -cheapest- contractors for some quick fixes when I couldn’t get anyone else, and they did amazing work.

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    I can now pick up on a few red flags and I am pretty darn good at reading the fine print on contracts, but so many projects are just easier to do yourself. Even if it takes you an extra few weeks of work and you lose all of your free time, hiring out sometimes just feels like you are playing Russian roulette with your time, energy, and hard-earned money. I feel for you.

  • alwaysawildcard says:

    This is the most nerve-wracking aspect of planning our remodel. I’ve never had the opportunity to be handy, but the idea of having to babysit grown adults is enough to light a fire to learn. There are areas that are completely outside my expertise where it can’t be avoided, but I’m going to figure out as much as I can DIY.

  • Nebakanezzer says:

    Would it not be well within your rights to withold all payment and fire them, maybe only pay for the material used? The job wasn’t completed to the agreed upon terms. I’m asking because I do most of this kind of work myself but I’m curious if I need to hire folks in the future and things go south.

  • zspacekcc says:

    We basically went through the same thing last month

    Big project, about 2000 feet of field fence, with about 900 feet of new posts. Guy sells us the project, they’ve got decent ratings online, think we’re fine.

    Project was supposed to be done in 5 days (maybe tight, but doable). They had trouble getting the holes drilled, so at the end of the first week they bring in a skid loader will an auger and knock out all the holes in one day. Cool, a bit behind, but whatever, now that the holes are taken care of they can do the rest without delays.

    Then they just don’t show up for 3 days. Finally they show up, at about 6:30 in the evening, with a load full of posts and some concrete. Something about truck problems. Alright, well at least they’re still moving forward.

    Guy shows up the next day around 2:30 (should have said something at this point). Hauls all the posts and bags of concrete out into the field, takes him about 2 hours. Then 5pm rolls around, and he’s gone. 6:30 comes and a very typical summer storm blows through, and guess what, concrete is sitting out in the field. Call him up, tell him it’s raining, and what about the concrete. He lies directly to us and tells us not worry, the bags have plastic liners that protect them from the water. That should have been flag two, but I just assumed I was unaware they sold them in that fashion.

    Two more weeks pass. They’re installing the poles, but the work is going super slow. One guy shows up between 2 and 6 each day, does 2-3 hours of work and then leaves. The other guy seems to be there randomly, like he’s always working on another project during the normal 9-5 hours. Walk out one day to see one of them hammering up a bag of concrete that had gone off in the rain. Lies to me again and tells me some of them split when they through them off the truck, so they got spoiled despite the liner (should have been flag three). Ok well at least they’re using the material, and it’s on them to eat the lost material cost.

    Finally, the last poles are installed. They start to hang the fence. We’d told them to match the height of the existing fence we tore down. That fence was 4 foot. They’ve got 17 rolls of 5 foot fence. They start trying to hang it, but can’t get it to tension as the top foot is over the tops of the existing poles (the new polls were 5 foot). So they have to pull all that stuff out of the pasture, and exchange it.

    When we’d discussed the project, we’d talked about H braces for the corners. We figured they’d be installed after the posts, but after they started hanging the wrong fence, I asked when/how they were going to install the H braces with the fence on, and didn’t they need to be there to brace the corners during tensioning? Oh no worries they were going to do it. The next day I come out, and they’ve got [something like this](https://permies.com/t/55813/a/38935/fence-corner.jpg) going on, except for they’re kinda short. They don’t even reach the next pole. Maybe they used more concrete to lock them down?

    I go out to take a better look. What was done was beyond stupid. The braces are “buried” in 1-3 inches of dirt, just to hide the end. They’re not cut at a 45 to meet the vertical post, they’re just directly tacked to the post. And by tacked I mean someone half assed knocked 3-5 *concrete nails* into each post such that each nail is 1 inch into each piece of wood. I couldn’t have half assed something that shoddy. To make matters worse, in several cases, they took what would have been a full 8 foot post, and snapped (not cut) it in two, to make the braces. I don’t even know how you snap a post like that.

    Start calling them up, trying to figure out what exactly was going on, and why they seem to think anything of the sort was acceptable. First guy (the 2-5 guy) blames the random guy, and the second guy blames the first guy, and tells us he’s been fired.

    Story gets really complex after that (basically legal threats and more lies), so I’ll skip going into it, but we ended up getting them to rip the braces off, dig more holes for the H braces, and hang the fence over 4 days, with us overseeing the entire process.

    Looking back on it, the entire project was screwed by a single guy (the 2-5 guy). So it may not always be the entire company out to get you, sometimes it’s just that one guy that really should have been let go months ago.

    My lessons learned (first time doing any contracted home project):

    * Get a expected finish date on the contract up front. Even if it doesn’t directly impact your schedule.
    * The contract should be stupidly detailed. If it isn’t in writing, it’s not in the contract. We should have called out the need for H braces with tensioning wires, rather than just “corner bracing”.
    * If your expectations are not being met, complain on day 1. I was paying for them to be professionals, and I was getting a half assed crew with a sloppy work ethic.
    * Check up more often on what’s being done. This applies at all stages, from them estimating the work to be done to them actually doing it.

  • hayekd says:

    This is why I don’t let handymen tackle even simple projects in my house.

  • digdilem says:

    Always sucks and sometimes they take it very personally, but it’s your money and if you’re not satisfied, you have to do this.

    For the benefit of others, my experience tips:

    Do as much vetting as possible before hiring. DO follow up previous customers and chat/view the work. DO ask around if you have any trustable contacts in the trade. DO ask for recommendations from other contractors. (One of the best electricians I found was recommended by one of the best plumbers I’ve found. They often work together and the standards of one were met by the other.)

    But the biggest tip I have, is to check the work frequently. Daily, always daily, and question anything you’re unsure about. This not only spots problems before they snowball, but also makes the contractor very aware that you’re on the case and that you care about the job.

    And finally, trust your gut. Pretty much every time I’ve had a bad feeling about a contractor – ripping my organisation off, or not doing what they’re supposed to be, it’s turned out to be true. Sometimes we try and make excuses for people, but generally this stuff is too important to us to do that.

    Sorry you’ve had this trouble and I hope you complete the work in time. Dig deep and rope in any friends you have! Ask for a day/evening’s work from them – do a “work party” and supply beer and food. (Towards the end) Cheap labour and usually good bonding.

    Get the girlfriend working on it too if she isn’t already, even if she isn’t technical, everyone can have an opinion on colour and put paint on walls.

  • tatarstas says:

    The discussion this post generated is one if the main reasons I am subbed here. Lots of useful insight.

  • HaroldBAZ says:

    I has almost the exact same situation. I had a guy tell me he was done and he wanted the final payment. I pulled out the itemized contract and went through all the bullet points, half of which he didn’t complete. Knowing he had no argument he got angry and stormed out. Without the itemized list I would have been arguing with him for days. I ended up getting someone to finish for less than the final payment for the first guy. I had another guy that finished 95% of a big kitchen renovation. Towards the end he stopped coming to the house and told me to keep the final payment because he had started another job. I took care of the punch list myself and kept the money. Both of these guys came recommended by people I knew too.

  • shyne151 says:

    I’m slightly confused and maybe I missed something.

    So you called the contractor out(rightfully so) and he said he misunderstood and would be back Monday to take care of everything. After he left, you went and got supplies yourself and started the repairs? Then decided to cancel his contract?

    I might have skimmed over something… but it kind of sounds like he offered to make it right and you decided to just do it yourself and not allow him to make it right? Or did he just not show up on the Monday like he said he would?

    But I agree… hiring and working with contractors sucks. I do most of the work on our house and the few times I’ve hired a contractor I seem to be overly anal about their work usually because “I wouldn’t have done it that way”.

  • SideHug says:

    Man, as an electrician that actually gives a fuck about his work. I would never leave a customer with partial working shit or walls that have stuff not working. That kills me.

  • harbison215 says:

    I hired a good friend to do HVAC on a flip property and he didn’t show up, but sent two other guys. Nothing they installed worked, he had to come back himself 4 times to get it right. This was on a fully gutted property, brand new system. Should have been very easy considering the total square ft of the house was less than 1000 sqft. Whenever they send the lackies you almost always have to send them back.

  • bluecheetos says:

    I’ve figured out that right now all the good contractors are booked solid doing new construction work or remodel work under general contractors. The only people left to do one-off jobs for random homeowners are the bottom end guys that no reputable company will hire.

  • GhostFour says:

    If there’s one thing I learned from working in the trades and being a home owner it’s that people don’t want to work. Once you find a good guy/company, take care of them and hold onto their info for future work. I called 3 roofing companies this week and only one showed up… a day late. It seems like once they make their nut for the week/month, they’re off the grid until rents due again. I tell young guys that aren’t sure about college to learn a trade instead. If you just show up and do the work as agreed, your reputation will flourish and you’ll be able to build a successful business very quickly.

  • bailout911 says:

    This makes me so happy for the contractors my GC used when I finished my basement. Like, these guys were good and cared about doing things right.

    I’m an engineer in the construction industry, so I was constantly inspecting everything they did each day and rarely had anything to complain about. I asked them to move one can light because it was over the shower and I knew that it wasn’t shower-rated, no big deal.

    My GC came out for final punch, checked the level of the shower pan and discovered it was sloped just slightly away from the drain. They tore it out, re-leveled the floor, re-tiled the shower at NO additional cost to me, because it was wrong and they didn’t want it to cause problems down the road.

    I’m definitely calling them again when it comes time to do my kitchen and master suite, because they proved they give a shit.

  • downvote_jmd_forest says:

    >so I asked her if she was okay with just terminating his contract and she said yes without skipping a beat.

    Here’s hoping he doesn’t sue you for breach of contract. In general, one cannot unilaterally terminate a contract. However, there is also the expectation the work will be completed in a “workmanlike manner”, so you seem to have a strong defense if he does.

  • samsu402 says:

    It seems like micromanaging is the only we to go as much as I hate doing it. I’ve hired contractors to repair multiple things in my house and I genuinely cringe whenever I need to.

  • AccidentalyMispelled says:

    People like this give good, solid contractors a bad name. And unfortunately there are a LOT of bad guys out there. My suggestion is to get references or at a minimum look at the reviews and take them seriously. One other thing – the lowest bid isnt usually the lowest bid because they are the most fair with their price…

  • Phate4569 says:

    Yeah shitty contractors are the worst. I still have one’s tools in my garage. I think after 2 years I own them since he made no effort to pay me back.

  • gerry2stitch says:

    I work for a very good contractor. It’s a small operation, just the two of us and we do everything from kitchens and bathrooms. A pretty large portion of our jobs seems to be fixing situations like this. A few weeks ago we had to take over a bathroom job from a guy who did literally everything wrong. Framing, plumbing, drywall it was all totally fucked.

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